Ahead of the game’s recent live premiere event in Los Angeles, Rolling Stone met with Woodkid to discuss the complex process of reverse engineering his own music, the state of video games in popular culture, and how he bonded with Kojima over their shared “fetishes.”

The video game legend tells WIRED that connection and isolation are major themes of his highly anticipated sequel. The game will be available on PlayStation on June 26.

Hideo Kojima is responsible for one of the more unique pieces of storytelling we have experienced in recent years, in any medium.